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SWEX to SWD - changes and additions
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:29 pm    Post subject: SWEX to SWD - changes and additions Reply with quote

Since the PEG guys might not have the relevant document posted on their website for a while, and since several of us are curious about it, I was hoping we could start a thread to enumerate the changes and additions from SW Explorer's Edition to SW Deluxe - basically a thread that would allow someone to see at a glance the differences between the two. I'd prefer not to discuss or debate the changes here - just to list them. I'm also not listing all the details - for example, I mention that there are some tweaks to powers and give an example, but I don't list every tweak. I have other things to do, you know! Very Happy

I'm only on my first time through the book, and not reading quite as thoroughly as I will on my second pass, but I'll included the things I've noticed so far. Feel free to post below anything I've missed (or screwed up ... ), and then I'll edit this first post to collate them - then maybe a mod will sticky it at some point.

Without further adieu ...


CHANGES

- Guts skill removed from core rules

- more detailed guidelines for using the Climb skill

- Driving is now a free action unless the character is performing a maneuver

- Charisma no longer modifies the Reaction Table

- characters without the relevant skill cannot contribute to cooperative rolls

- Leadership Edges can be used on Wild Cards

- Background Edges can be taken after character creation

- The skills for AB: Super Powers are now bought as if the fictional linked stat is always higher than the current skill level (as opposed to SWEX, in which the skill was treated as though it was higher than the stat - thus Super Power skills are "cheaper" in SWD than SWEX)

- Double Barrel Shotgun slightly tweaked in how it works.

- A Shaken while on Hold loses Hold Status

- Shaken results now merely limit the character to free actions (instead of no actions) and do not halve the character's Pace

- new Incapacitation table, including some "Bleeding Out" rules (BTW, a raise on the incapacitation table still results in incapacitation)

- Healing can now only be attempted on each individual's fresh wounds once in the "Golden Hour." (Plus an attempt to revive if the target is Incapacitated.) They can't cause an additional wound through rolling a 1 or less however. (To clarify - only once per healer - multiple healers could each try once on the same wounded character within that Golden Hour.)

- Non-Lethal Damage simply knocks out for 1d6 hours, with no Incap roll

- Area effect attacks now get an extra 1d6 damage for a raise (like most attacks)

- Area-attack damage is determined separately for each WildCard and for any group of extras, with one damage-roll that affects the whole group. (In SWEX, damage was applied to each target separately, regardless of their status as WildCard or Extra.)

- Full Defense now rolls Fighting +2 (instead of just Fighting)

- prone defenders no longer rise to defend themselves automatically (it requires 2" of movement to rise, but that's part of normal movement, so it's still not a full action)

- Suppressive Fire counts as a damaging attack

- Mass Battle is an opposed roll now rather than two separate rolls

- new Chase rules (also, the Climb stat for aircraft works differently in this context)

- no more Capital Ships rules

- tweaks to some powers (e.g., the Bolt power can be used for multiple bolts, or one increased damage bolt, but not both at once)


ADDITIONS

- designer notes (explanations and reflections on the rules by the PEG folks)

- archetypes (character templates that let you create NPCs easily on the fly, or allow new players to jump right in)

- example Races (e.g., elf, dwarf, android, etc.)

- Race creation rules (similar to those found in the fantasy companion or slipstream)

- Skill Familiarity: basically just a reminder that the GM has the right to impose situational modifiers

- clarified rules on common knowledge v. specific knowledge

- knowledge: language rules

- about 20 new edges (including some new combat and leadership edges)

- many more vehicles included in the gear section (more similar to the old hardback SW rules than SWEX)

- some notes for playing without miniatures, including how to approximate area templates without a battle map

- rules for Improvised Weapons

- rules for Push (which can be used to push, shield bash, or knock someone prone - so it pretty much covers tripping as well, and could probably be used for charging and throwing with little modification, especially if combined with grappling)

- rule for Rapid Attack (basically three attacks in one round, all at a penalty)

- rule for Firing Blind

- rules for Social Conflicts

- rules for Dramatic Tasks (basically performing tasks in a time limit - e.g., diffusing a bomb)

- rules for Interludes (sort of like little "flashback" scenarios for in between major parts of the plot)

- a section on common Setting Rules (e.g., gritty damage, power point less magic systems, etc.)

- inclusion of a bunch of new powers (most of the ones from the Fantasy Companion made it)

- inclusion of power trapping rules (not quite the same as in the FC)

- Combat Ratings (notes on balancing and scaling combat encounters)

- several one-sheet adventures

- a character sheet
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADDITION

- Combat Rating: notes on balancing and scaling combat encounters (if you want to Cool )
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Added to the list - thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I count 20 new edges, a large number of which are for martial arts. Others, like Brave, are related to the removal of the Guts skill. There are also a few more leadership edges, some of which are rather nice.

Fleet-Footed is now a Background Edge.

Also, almost every spell from the Fantasy Companion is there. Only a couple are missing.

Lastly, look closely at the description of trappings. The entire structure has been changed from what was in the Fantasy Companion.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edited, though not quite at that level of detail - thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Healing can now only be attempted on each individuals fresh wounds once in the "Golden Hour." (Plus an attempt to revive if the target is Incapacitated.) They can't cause an additional wound through rolling a 1 or less however.

Driving is now a Free action unless performing a maneuver.

No more Tabletop use of Climb. Also, Climb stat is expressed differently.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Groovy, thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kreider204 wrote:
Groovy, thanks.


Added more in an edit to original post.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

grimmshade wrote:


No more Tabletop use of Climb. Also, Climb stat is expressed differently.


Sorry, not sure I'm following you. Can you clarify? Are you talking about vehicles?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leadership Edges can be used on Wild Cards.

Background Edges can be taken after character creation.

A Shaken while on Hold loses Hold Status.

Double Barrel Shotgun slightly tweaked in how it works.

Firing Blind rule added (unless I missed it in SWEX.)

kreider204 wrote:
grimmshade wrote:


No more Tabletop use of Climb. Also, Climb stat is expressed differently.


Sorry, not sure I'm following you. Can you clarify? Are you talking about vehicles?


Sorry, Aircraft CLIMB Ratings are expressed and used differently. Also no longer applicable to tabletop movement.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotcha, thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hah, I was wondering when this thread would appear. ;}

I recommend you organize things in order they appear in the book because when someone finds something new it will be easy to look up whether it's already on the list.

Thanks for compiling!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

77IM wrote:

I recommend you organize things in order they appear in the book because when someone finds something new it will be easy to look up whether it's already on the list.


Oi, if I have time. There are lots of things to add, and I myself don't always know exactly where they are in the book ...

EDIT: As I look at it, they're already mostly in rough order. I'll try to keep it that way, more or less ...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rules for Capital Ships seem to have been removed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Raise on the Incapacitation roll still leaves the character incapacitated.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

grimmshade wrote:
Rules for Capital Ships seem to have been removed.


Hmm, no watercraft rules either. I wonder if they've been subsumed into the general vehicle rules?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A Raise on the Incapacitation roll still leaves the character incapacitated.

CK


I'll add that to the note about the incapacitation table.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Full Defense now rolls Fighting+2 rather than only Fighting.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Added, thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard that there are some new spells not found in the Fantasy Companion. Is this true? If so, can someone post the names of them and a brief synopsis of what they (For example, Puppet allows you to control the actions of others).

Also what are the names of the new edges?
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