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wheatiess · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: shotguns new way to handle

so shot guns do 1-3d6 damage depending on how far away the target is. i love this and think it works very well but it still keeps getting into my head that it could be done diferently

what if damage was stuck at 1d6 and the 1-3 refers to the number of shots you could roll, each of which has to hit
so close is 3, medium is 2 and long is 1

hits on the same target could stack together or be seperate
could change rate up to 4-6 for certain shot cartriages

the logic behind this is falling apart as i think about it more (it is late though over here) but i will post it to see if anyone has had anything similar

ogbendog · Heroic Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1913

one problem I see with that, is that you might do less damage up close.

on the other hand, suppose you rolled a 8, 9, and a 3

3 is a miss
8 is a hit with a raise, so d6+d6
9 is a hit with a rasie, so d6+d6

so now you are doing 4d6, not 3

so as a trade off of maybe doing less, for the chance of doing more, it might be balanced.

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Virgobrown72 · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:09 pm Post subject:

I use the cone template at a flat 3 d6. It works for my gaming group... Wink

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Takeda · Heroic Joined: 28 Apr 2009 Posts: 1333

Sadric · Veteran Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 995

I really liked the way GURPS handled shotguns.
There a shotgun does devasting 3d6 damage, very similiar to SW-shotgun damage.
But each dice get lowered by the armor value of the target.
So, even a leather jacket with armor rating of even 1 helps against a shotgun.

Wish I could port this rules to savage worlds. But at the same time I like the damage reduction at longer range. If I use both systems it shotguns are really useless at longer range. Smile

So I didnt bother and simply use the default system.

supercOntra · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:17 am Post subject:

I use the cone template as well
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Jordan Peacock · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:07 am Post subject:

Takeda · Heroic Joined: 28 Apr 2009 Posts: 1333

I like the Negative AP treatment. It would see it appropriate for any low-mass high-speed round be that: hollow-point (as its meant to penetrate as little as possible by maximum transfer of momentum to the target by maximizing the initial shock wave at the point of impact to maximize tissue trauma ), buckshot, bb pellets, slingshots, etc.

Of course the flechette round is low-mass high-velocity and this complicates things. In many systems the armour is applied first but what penetrates does more damage. A way you could do Flechette is AP -2 vs Rigid Armour but AP 2 vs non-Rigid Armour ... as well as the damage not being considered 'bullets' for the purpose of bullet-resistant vests. So a vest with the rigid inserts will kick shotguns (non-flechette ammo) butt but with flechette without the insert they're next to useless.
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Virgobrown72 · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject:

I like the cone template because it makes my players really think about the Friendly Fire rule... Twisted Evil

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wheatiess · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject:

along the line of my first post if the 1-3 shots was combined with the 3-1dx damage it would work as how i intended.
so at short range. 1 3d6 damage shots
at medium range. 2 2d6 damage shots
and at long range 3 1d6 damage shots

i also use 5/10/20 as the range for buckshot and 12/24/48 for slug as normal

would get rid of the +2 for scatter but keep the bystander at 1 or 2
assuming there is a group you are shoting at
at short (0 to 5) range you would hit on (1,2),>=4
medium(>5 to 10) range you would hit on (1,2),>=6
at long(>10 to 20) range you would hit on (1,2),>=8

..maybe keep the +2? so it would be SR=(1,2),>=2 MR=(1,2),>=4 LR=(1,2),>=6

so is one shot at 3d6 good enough if 2 shots at 2d6 is only a few inches back
seeing your going to hit most the time if not raise at close range and 3d6 will be better verse high toughness enemies as each shot will not stack for the 2d6 i think it works

comparing it to a 2d6 pistol with range 10/20/40(easier for comparison)

<5 shotty(3d6 damage +2 to hit) pistol (2d6 damage)
<10 shotty(2d6 damage 2 shots) pistol (2d6 damage)
<20 shotty(1d6 damage 3 shots -2 to hit) pistol (2d6 damage -2 to hit)
20+ shotty(out of range) pistol (2d6 damage -4 to hit)

1d6 it pretty usless but hitting with a few of them can make it practical with aces or verses a huge target where you can get raises to do 2d6 damage

side note:
with the rules as they are if you shot at a group within short range with the +2 from scatter do you automaticaly hit something(ignoring cover and other mods)
bystander on 1,2 hit on 2+(so 3+ )