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Lord Inar
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| Lord Inar wrote: | | Any OFFICIAL word on this? |
Shane's off to PAX, so it might take a little while.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Lord Inar wrote: | | So do you use 23 or 27 for your crewmen? |
I actually would add that up to 30 points, as for a vehicle crewman I'd consider Driving to be another primary skill (so 6 points altogether).
Then with the discount, I call it 23 points.
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Lord Inar
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Clint wrote: | | Lord Inar wrote: | | Any OFFICIAL word on this? |
Shane's off to PAX, so it might take a little while. |
No problem. Sometimes the Showdown section needs to yell a little louder to get noticed.
| SlasherEpoch wrote: | | Lord Inar wrote: | | So do you use 23 or 27 for your crewmen? |
I actually would add that up to 30 points, as for a vehicle crewman I'd consider Driving to be another primary skill (so 6 points altogether).
Then with the discount, I call it 23 points. |
So do you see that as a common thing, having two or more skills at full cost compared to the others?
I was following your sheets advice and so my Excel sheet automatically takes the first skill at full value and then reduces it for the rest.
Just trying to dot all the "i"s and cross the "t"s as it were, so that I don't require so many exceptions that the sheet is basically unusable.
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John Goff
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Naw--I keep an eye on the forum. Mostly you guys don't need much input from me 
I just didn't have a ready answer and hadn't had time to research it and confer with Shane myself yet. By and large, I'm inclined to agree that it is an error in the computation as noted, but just in case it was intentional, I wanted to mention it to Shane before I made a "ruling".
When I get a definitive answer, I'll pass it along ASAP.
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Lord Inar
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| John Goff wrote: | | Naw--I keep an eye on the forum. Mostly you guys don't need much input from me |
Yeah, my comment is based on experience before you became brand manager, I believe.
I'm just pesky because I like to do things right!
But now that i have your attention, please feel free to check it out and use/offer feedback/ignore as desired.
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Lord Inar
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I looked at Rumble in the Jungle and my numbers are pretty close (I don't have the extra -3 for unused skills)
My cost is listed followed by the cost listed in the scenario in brackets:
The text is my output.
Buck Savage - WC Cost: 33 [34]
A:d8, Sm:d6, Sp:d6, St:d6, V:d8
Fighting d8, Shooting d8
Pace: 6; Parry: 6; Toughness 7
GEAR:
• MELEE: Machete (Str+d4)
• RANGED: Tommy Gun (Range 12/24/48, 2d6+1, AP 1, RoF 3)
ABILITIES
Edges: • Brawny, • Combat Reflexes, • Rock and Roll!
Virginia Dare - WC Cost: 18 [18]
A:d8, Sm:d8, Sp:d8, St:d6, V:d6
Fighting d6, Shooting d6
Pace: 6; Parry: 5; Toughness 5
GEAR:
• MELEE: Machete (Str+d4) • RANGED: Colt 1911 (Range 12/24/48, 2d6+1, AP 1, RoF 1)
ABILITIES
Edges: • Alertness
Danny Dare - WC Cost: 18 [15]
A:d8, Sm:d8, Sp:d6, St:d6, V:d4
Shooting d6, Fighting d4
Pace: 6; Parry: 4; Toughness 4 [5 listed]
GEAR:
• MELEE: Machete (Str+d4) • RANGED: .32 Pistol (Range 12/24/48, 2d6-1, AP 1, RoF 1)
ABILITIES
Edges: • Level Headed
Doc Gold - WC Cost: 19 [18] (version 1)
A:d6, Sm:d10, Sp:d6, St:d6, V:d6
Weird Science d8, Shooting d6, Fighting d4
Pace: 6; Parry: 4; Toughness 5 [4 listed]
GEAR:
• MELEE: Machete (Str+d4)
ABILITIES
Edges: • Arcane Background
Doc Gold - WC Cost: 26 (version 2 with bolt power)
A:d6, Sm:d10, Sp:d6, St:d6, V:d6
Weird Science d8, Shooting d6, Fighting d4
Pace: 6; Parry: 4; Toughness 5
GEAR:
• MELEE: Machete (Str+d4) • RANGED: Bolt (Range 12/24/48, 2d6 - 3d6, RoF 3, Max Casting penalty -5)
ABILITIES
Edges: • Arcane Background
Kator - WC Cost: 24 [24]
A:d8, Sm:d4, Sp:d6, St:d8, V:d8
Fighting d8, Throwing d6
Pace: 6; Parry: 8; Toughness 6
GEAR:
• MELEE: Spear (Str+d6, Reach 1, Parry 1) • RANGED: Spear (Range 3/6/12, Str+d6, RoF 1, Shots 1)
ABILITIES
Edges: • Acrobat, • Guardian, • Sweep
Baron Wellingsford - WC Cost: 32 [31]
A:d8, Sm:d8, Sp:d8, St:d8, V:d8
Shooting d12, Fighting d10
Pace: 6; Parry: 8; Toughness 6
GEAR:
• MELEE: Rapier (Str+d4, Parry 1) • RANGED: Elephant Gun (Range 24/48/96, 2d10, AP 2, RoF 1, Snapfire)
ABILITIES
Edges: • Marksman
Poachers Cost: 35 [38]
A:d6, Sm:d6, Sp:d6, St:d6, V:d6
Shooting d6, Fighting d6
Pace: 6; Parry: 5; Toughness 5
GEAR:
• MELEE: Machete (Str+d4) • RANGED: Hunting Rifle (Range 24/48/96, 2d8 , AP 2, RoF 1)
ABILITIES
Native Spears Cost: 31 [38]
A:d6, Sm:d6, Sp:d6, St:d6, V:d6
Fighting d8, Throwing d6
Pace: 6; Parry: 7; Toughness 5 [6 Parry listed]
GEAR:
• MELEE: Spear (Str+d6, Reach 1, Parry 1) • RANGED: Spear (Range 3/6/12, Str+d6, RoF 1, Shots 1)
ABILITIES
Donga - WC Cost: 79 [79]
A:d8, Sm:d8, Sp:d8, St:d12+6, V:d8
Fighting d8, Intimidation d10, Throwing d6
Pace: 10; Parry: 6; Toughness 12
GEAR:
• MELEE: Tree (Str+d20, Reach 3) • RANGED: Boulder (Range 6/12/24, Str+d20, RoF 1, Hvy Wpn)
ABILITIES
Edges: • Strong Willed
Monstrous Abilities: • Fleet Footed (d , • Gargantuan, • Hardy, • Size category: Large, • Size*(6)
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Aha, Inar, I think I got it now.
See, I actually designed my cheat sheet so I could do the figures by hand since I regularly make exceptions like the one I mentioned above. I can nearly guarantee that's why you and I would have slightly different prices for units.
For instance, without doing the math, I pretty much agree with the cost of Danny being lower. Is it RAW? Nah, it's just something I do a lot.
However, can I have a copy of your spreadsheet? I'd love to see how it works.
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Lord Inar
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| SlasherEpoch wrote: | Aha, Inar, I think I got it now.
See, I actually designed my cheat sheet so I could do the figures by hand since I regularly make exceptions like the one I mentioned above. I can nearly guarantee that's why you and I would have slightly different prices for units.
For instance, without doing the math, I pretty much agree with the cost of Danny being lower. Is it RAW? Nah, it's just something I do a lot.
However, can I have a copy of your spreadsheet? I'd love to see how it works. |
Danny's expensive because Level-headed is 10 points!
I think the link I posted earlier should work.
If not, here it is again: [Update: use the latest in the thread below]
It's a zip file that unpacks to an excel sheet.
I don't do it in Google docs because they don't have drop down menus.
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kingofsouls
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| I've been using your formulas to calculate the cost of a bear to see if it works. I got 78 for the raw value when the Troop builder says the raw cost is 83. I done goofed but I don't know where. I'm trying to get a Wonerland No More meele going on so I need some help here. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| kingofsouls wrote: | | I've been using your formulas to calculate the cost of a bear to see if it works. I got 78 for the raw value when the Troop builder says the raw cost is 83. I done goofed but I don't know where. I'm trying to get a Wonerland No More meele going on so I need some help here. |
Can you PM me the stats you're using to convert so I can see if there's an error in my formulae?
Appreciate it.
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Okay! One second.
Wait! I think I figured it out! BEars have a fighitng of d8, but since thier GUYS skill is higher, the Fighting skill is secondary and has to be halfed. When I did that....i got 82.5. bingo |
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