Great White Games/Pinnacle Entertainment Group

[Baiyo]

I think most, if not all, of us can agree that Boost/Lower Trait is the most versatile arcane power in Deadlands or Savage Worlds. I would argue that it's also the most powerful. As written, a character takes the power once, and can later use the same power to Boost any Trait of theirs, or Lower any Trait of their enemies. The same power that can improve someone's Fighting, can also improve their Tracking skill and worsen their enemy's Spirit or Vigor. (If I'm misunderstanding the rules here, please tell me.)

For most Arcane Backgrounds in Deadlands, I don't have problem with that. Hucksters, Blessed and Shamans all potentially face stiff backlash penalties of some kind every time they roll to use a power, and they are essentailly using magic after all. Mad Scientists are the exception to what I wrote above, because their Trappings are limited to the gizmo they invent when they take a new power.

Martial Artists are another story. They don't face the risk of any kind of penalty for a failed Arcane Skill roll, and there are no inherent limitations to the types of Traits that they can Boost or Lower. I don't know about any of you, but I have some trouble wrapping my head around a Martial Artist being able to Boost their Fighting ability during one encounter, and later use the same ability to Boost their Persuasion. Nevermind Lowering one of their enemy's Traits.

So with all that said, here are my questions to my fellow Marshals. Do you impose any limits on a Martial Artist's use of Boost/Lower Trait, such as what Traits they can affect? Do you think that this isn't really a concern? If not, why?
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[newForumNewName]

Remember that it isn't an open-ended power and that there are limits to it's usefulness. At best, a character can shift Traits by two die steps in either direction and the duration isn't terribly long (a few rounds).
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[ValhallaGH]

Do I limit them? No.
Am I worried about the versatility of boost/lower? No.
Why? Because versatility is not power - there are thousands of posts in D&D forums that can explain why that is the case, but I don't want to bore anyone with them. The basic point is that versatility is only powerful when it lets you have the perfect solution for any situation.
Boost / lower does not do that.
It takes an action to use - an action that could be ending the fight by incapacitating a foe; it has a limited duration (3 +) that must be maintained for each use of the power; it can be resisted (by Spirit) if used to lower a foe; two die types has only ever been significant when it affected a derived trait (Parry or Toughness) - the only other time I have seen boost/lower have a noticeable impact was when it made a skill trained.
Boost / lower doesn't let you do anything you can't already do. It simply makes you a little bit better at it (or might make your foe a bit worse).

Boost / lower is a good power, well worth taking, but it only barely achieves that status. As a rule, bolt is a lot more troublesome to my plots.
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[Cutter XXIII]

Martial Artists pay a steep cost for their backlash-free powers by having to purchase (and improve) a skill for each one. Limiting their powers' usefulness would be double-dipping on the penalties.
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[ValhallaGH]

[Inaccurate. Please ignore.]

[Nordicnomad]

[newForumNewName]

I did neglect the stacking. However, that's maybe 1 turn of, at best, d12+4 in a single Trait (with 10 pp and a raise on all three castings with the extra point spent on the duration of the first roll and a base Trait of d8 ).

EDIT: Bloody smiley face...
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[Wibbs]

Just a point of clarification - are we talking about stacking as in...

a - casting boost trait on two different traits for the same person
b - casting boost trait on the same trait twice for the same person

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[jpk]

[Baiyo]

Ok, so just to be clear about what's troubling me;

A Deadlands martial arts chi master, a character type who's supernatural abilities are ostensibly meant to manifest physically, can use his Boost/Lower Trait power to increase his Lockpicking skill, then later use the same power to boost his Persuasion, then later use the same power to boost his Tracking, and then later use the same power to increase his Strength for a fight. And based on your guys' responses, you're all totally cool with that, right?

If that's the case, I find that very interesting. Interesting indeed...
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[ogbendog]

Lockpicking and Tracking both generally take longer than a few rounds.

[The Stray]

[ValhallaGH]

[Yondalor]

What if the Martial Artist uses it on another person to lower his traits? I always figured there should be a trapping to it that requires the MA to touch his target, as he's pressing its pressure points and disrupting the flow of its chi.
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