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 Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 9:28 am Post subject: Lack of Dodge in Savage Worlds |
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| I just got the savage world system and have got the update for Wierd West, first I noticed was the lack of a dodge for shooting combat. In deadlands I liked the idea of a dodge, why was it removed for savage? If I wanted to do dodge in deadlands savage world how? just add a new skill called dodge? |
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jblittlefield
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 9:38 am Post subject: |
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p31 - Dodge is an Edge. If you want everyone to have it simply allow it as a free Edge to everyone without cost; or consider it a skill and reword Improved Dodge to add a +2 bonus to the skill roll. The latter is how I'd do it. 
You'll also notice that Grit is gone as well. We simply allow a +1 Guts mod for each rank above Novice to simulate Grit. |
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MadTinkerer
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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The idea of taking out Dodge is that you're supposed to use the cover provided by the bar/horse/ditch to avoid getting hit by bullets instead of trying to move faster than bullets/arrows/knives. But the Dodge Edges are there for folks who want to be "luckier" at avoiding missiles.
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skylion
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 8:25 pm Post subject: Yeah, but.... |
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| Quote: | | You'll also notice that Grit is gone as well. We simply allow a +1 Guts mod for each rank above Novice to simulate Grit. |
This is something I need to change before making the conversion to SW. I think grit should be earned on an adventure to adventure basis. With the nature of Deadlands, you could play a straight western game with just a touch of the weird. In that case a Legendary hero that hasn't faced a single zombie wouldn't stand a chance against a season hero that has faced zombies, dust devils, et al. and lived to tell the tale (and reduced the fear level too boot). |
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marshal kt
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| and unless your running a 'woo' type adventure, you can't dodge bullets or most arrows, just dive for cover and hope you get behind it. |
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jblittlefield
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 5:26 am Post subject: Re: Yeah, but.... |
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| skylion wrote: | | Quote: | | You'll also notice that Grit is gone as well. We simply allow a +1 Guts mod for each rank above Novice to simulate Grit. |
This is something I need to change before making the conversion to SW. I think grit should be earned on an adventure to adventure basis. With the nature of Deadlands, you could play a straight western game with just a touch of the weird. In that case a Legendary hero that hasn't faced a single zombie wouldn't stand a chance against a season hero that has faced zombies, dust devils, et al. and lived to tell the tale (and reduced the fear level too boot). |
Grit's not even in SW - it's an add-on we use. In my games, if your Legendary and have never seen a Zombie than something's wrong - you've probably had your eyes closed |
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Cethegus
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 7:36 am Post subject: |
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I only played DL two or three times, but as i can remember Gunfights were allways relatively close combat... sometimes between Houses and Stables, but more often inside an Saloon or Crypt or Cave or something creepy
I allways wondered what exactly is meant by "dodging" an bullet that is fired at you from only ... 6 or 12" away? Faster than sound movement? 
I think the SW way is much more likely ... you have an TN of 4 which represents the chance of the gunner to miss you, rather of yours to evade the shot. If the Battle takes place in more open field and opponents are further away from each other ... well just add the appropriate Penalties for the used weapon and Cover... and if you like add more Penalties for allready moving (riding, running, ...) targets... Its all up to your imagination anyway 
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Dieter
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| Cethegus wrote: |
I allways wondered what exactly is meant by "dodging" an bullet that is fired at you from only ... 6 or 12" away? Faster than sound movement?
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My take on dodging bullets at short distances is more like your ability to psyche-out the shooter. Also, you have to take into consideration that while tokens/minis/counters are static on the gameboard, real combat is anything but static. It's assumed that in a life/death situation, the principles are moving about deke-ing/feigning their manuevers in the hopes of not getting stabbed or shot.
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